Anti-circumcision VTuber Kirsche rants about circumcision.

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From 2:35:35 to 2:45:01

She recounts a conversation she had with one of ex-boyfriends where she said that if they had a child, she wouldn’t want to get him circumcised, to which her ex-bf responded that he would want him circumcised, so she stood her ground and argued against his moronic reasons for wanting him cut.

A small excerpt:

BF: “I want to get him circumcised, because it’s what’s better for him.”

Kirsche: “Well, why is it better?”

BF: “Well, if he gets cut, it will be easier to clean and he won’t get made fun of by women.”

Kirsche: “Why does that matter? If he pulls down his pants, and some woman makes fun of his foreskin, he should just not be with that woman. This shouldn’t be something that you’re concerned with.”

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This might just my naive side kicking in again but, I am baffled this argument still gets used? Is this still a thing in the US? From what I’m reading online last few years specifically to the states it’s seems most women dont care or can’t tell the difference even if they say they have a preference. And for babies being born now circumcision rates are falling slowly but, when the boy grows up they’ll be more uncircumcised men then now.

I’m not from the states and don’t live there so maybe I’m wrong and I understand that there are negative experiences and some crazy women but, overall I think this myth is exaggerated by mutilated american men trying to justify their mutilation.

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We are talking about circumcising newborns, correct?

Routine circumcision is a cure in search of a disease.

The true motivation isn’t the boy’s health. From some (not all) women’s perspective, it’s about controlling a boy’s sexual energy. Cut away his foreskin, and you (believe that you) can reduce his sex drive, “taming” him, domesticating him. (This alludes to Maimonides’ after-the-fact [Login to see the link] for removing the entire foreskin.) Many mothers’ greatest fear is that their teen son will impregnate another teen.

Circumcision gives these moms a feeling of control. It’s a stand-in for castration, which many would do if it were reversible. Give him his balls back once he’s ready to bring Mom grandchildren.

Circumcised fathers are a different nut, even harder to crack because they’re personally invested. To spare their son circumcision, they have to acknowledge that their own penis isn’t what it could have been, and never will be. Most take the path of least resistance, “It didn’t hurt me, and I’m fine, so he’ll be fine, too.” Or they fall back on the old “be like Daddy” trope, which has no basis other than conjecture.

Circumcised dads would also have to accept that when they were at their most helpless and dependent, the people who loved them had them strapped down and stripped of the most sensitive part of their body forever. That’s too hard for many to swallow.

OneManArmy

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This excuse 100% is used in the US. And many people do believe it and it sadly is common to be “made fun of” for being intact. It’s less common among younger people and the more you diverge from “normies” (aka. people who just don’t question American culture or society at all) then you won’t hear the shaming, Essentially, the more you meet someone who “conforms” to American culture, the more likely they support cutting. But someone who doesn’t fit the mold of what an “American” is, the less likely. But remember, many Americans are stupid as hell and refuse to question anything. It’s a country that has 50% of people supporting Trump after all.

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zigzag it’s seems most women dont care or can’t tell the difference even if they say they have a preference.

Exactly. This is why I always question whether a women ACTUALLY prefers a circumcised dick or if she’s simply mistaking an uncut dick with the foreskin retracted for a cut dick and simply likes the look of an exposed glans and not that it “looks circumcised”. I’m willing to bet it’s the latter for a lot of them. Hell, I remember seeing a cock rating video by Miss Ellie, and she unable to correctly identify if a penis was cut or uncut about 4 times. There are also women who don’t realize what circumcision actually is and simply mistakenly think that it’s the state of the penis in which the glans is exposed. So, yeah, I always just think “No, you don’t like the look of a circumcised penis, you like the look of an exposed glans, which you can achieve with an intact dick simply by pulling the foreskin back.”

OneManArmy sadly is common to be “made fun of” for being intact.

The idea that someone could be made fun of for NOT being mutilated has always been so retarded to me. Especially since it makes no sense and there’s nothing to make fun of in the first place. A circumcised guy trying to make fun of an intact guy is like a blind person trying to make fun of someone who can see or a person with no arms trying to make fun of someone who still has both of their arms… It makes no sense and they’re in no position to make fun of anyone, yet are in every position to be made fun of themselves. When you break it down, they’re essentially saying “Haha! Your penis is normal. You human rights weren’t violated at birth. You weren’t horrifically tortured and mutilated as a baby at the behest of the very people who were supposed to protect you like I was. Your penis isn’t all ugly, scarred, and doesn’t look like Freddy Krueger’s face. Haha! Let’s all laugh at the guy with the normal, non-mutilated penis.” It’s bizarre that they don’t understand the implication of what they say.

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intact wow never had circumcision from the moms perspective described like this. I always thought women go along with the society they’re in. You hear the “I’ll leave it up to tge father” saying alot. Same with preference women are conditioned to feel a certain way. The control reason you gave for women sounds disgusting to be honest. Guess I’m glad my mother wasn’t a control freak. The male excuse is what I expected.

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OneManArmy

Because the stupid half votes Democrat?

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intact United States is the only western nation with a majority of penises circumcised. It’s also the most right wing

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DustyTrombone2

“Right wing” doesn’t translate across cultures. People are more complex than you’d like to think.

In the case of the U.S., skepticism of interventionist medicine crosses the political spectrum.