the issues i have with the page interview and why it is anti male garbage.

androgynousforeskindefender

What gets to me isn’t disagreement — it’s the way the rules change depending on who’s talking. People feel completely free to mock men’s bodies for things we never chose: foreskin, circumcision status, size, shape, whatever. It’s treated like harmless fun. They can call men disgusting or defective, and nobody steps in. Some will even defend cutting parts off boys without consent, as if that’s just normal. But if a man comments on women’s bodies in even the slightest way, suddenly it’s a scandal.

That’s the double standard I’m calling out. If people think it’s acceptable to joke about men’s anatomy, then the direct equivalent would be joking about women’s labia. Everyone knows that would be shut down instantly. And that’s the whole point — the outrage only goes one direction. Men are expected to take every insult quietly, while women are treated like they’re under attack the moment they feel uncomfortable.

You can see this shift in wrestling culture too. Wrestling has always been a male-heavy space, but the surrounding commentary and fan expectations have changed. A wrestler can appear on a talk show and people will casually mock men’s bodies, and it’s brushed off as entertainment. But if a man said the same kind of thing about women — even something as simple as mentioning labia the way people casually mention foreskin — he’d be dragged for it. The reaction wouldn’t be a conversation; it would be a meltdown.

And honestly, I’m tired of pretending this makes sense. I’m tired of being told men can’t have opinions about the industry they helped build. I’m tired of being told that saying “I liked the old presentation” or “I disagree with this direction” is somehow sexist. Meanwhile, people can insult men’s bodies, men’s preferences, men’s sexuality, and it’s treated like nothing.

Wrestling used to be a place where outsiders and oddballs could speak freely. Now it feels like everyone is walking on eggshells, terrified of offending the wrong group. Even raising questions about how boys’ bodies are altered gets treated like you’re attacking someone personally. Meanwhile, the insults toward men keep flowing, and nobody cares enough to call it out.

I still believe parts of the wrestling community value honesty, but the culture around it has shifted into something lopsided. Men are expected to stay silent, take the hits, and never push back. Women can say whatever they want about men and still be framed as the ones who are oppressed. It’s backwards, and it’s draining.

Someone has to point out the contradiction. If mocking men’s bodies is acceptable, then mocking women’s bodies would be the equivalent — and everyone knows that would never be allowed. That’s the entire argument. The standard isn’t equal, and the hypocrisy is obvious.

androgynousforeskindefender

The last post I made was a little confusing in some places, and I know it might have been hard for some of you to fully understand. I didn’t express my point as clearly as I wanted to. What I was trying to talk about are the obvious double standards in wrestling and in society in general, especially in relation to that recent interview someone posted about Paige. It’s exactly why men need to start standing up for ourselves the same way women do.

IntactEnby

This might be weird to say at first, but society is simultaneously anti-man, anti-woman, anti-enby. I’ll for the sake of simplicity focus on how it’s both anti-man and anti-woman.

I won’t say it’s equally anti-woman, anti-man, they are in different ways.

So for example, making gross comments about women’s bodies is sadly more than acceptable. Sure, you might anger individuals by doing it, and anger way more people than if you made a gross comment about a man’s body. That doesn’t change the fact that if you were to make crude comments about women’s bodies, you’d have a lot of people, women included who would write that off as “locker room talk”.

Both of these genders are falling victim to severe eating disorders and feeding into cosmetic surgeries to fit beauty standards.

Women’s oppression is different from men’s oppression, and being a victim of one form doesn’t absolve you of your own oppressive actions. So yes, a woman who is oppressed by patriarchal attitudes and lacks the consciousness to do otherwise can and often will oppress the men in their lives by mocking their foreskin or any other body part in some form of annoying girlboss brand of feminism. The same form of feminism that I’d say overuses terms like sexist.

tl;dr - If a woman actively mocks someone for their body regardless of gender, they’re part of the problem too. Let’s try not to make it a men vs women thing. Remember, men are some of the largest proponents to pushing RIC. You’re just as likely to find a woman/enby who is an intactivist ally as a lot of men, imo.

androgynousforeskindefender

IntactEnby What I’m saying is that women probably sense that some men actually fetishize or strongly prefer larger labia, so even if some men dislike them or speak negatively about them, plenty of men don’t. And that supports my point: no matter what someone says about female anatomy, it doesn’t create the same kind of long‑term harm that mocking male genitals can cause for boys and men, especially because these issues affect males so early in life.

I also think parody is needed here, because on some level a lot of women probably sense that much of the negativity men express is really a reaction to women supporting circumcision, having positive views about it, or preferring circumcised men. And especially in adult or pornographic contexts, enough of this is clearly fetish‑driven that it’s barely worth being offended by.

But even if this attitude became more mainstream, the way you see some women talking about male anatomy, if men did the same thing back it would almost always come across as more joking, tongue‑in‑cheek, or obviously absurd. And because of that tone, I don’t think it would have nearly the same psychological impact on women or their self‑esteem as the kind of mocking I was talking about has on boys and men.

At the very least, this isn’t something that happens to girls in childhood — and that difference alone is a major part of why the harm lands so much harder on males.