What have the women in your life said?

Omegutted · 2022-01-17T03:39:04+00:00

Putting this out there - since I'm sure some of you have girlfriends, wives, sisters, friends, coworkers, etc. who you may have talked to about circumcision,...

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andy83 This shows how little most americans know about foreskin, cause sclerosis as a whole, especially peyronies disease is actually more likely in cut men due to scarring and having too radical of a circumcision, which damages the microvasculature of the penis, but because those effects and symptoms are seen as normal in mutilation friendly societies they end up singling out foreskin anyways. Shes willing to actively deprive blood supply to your shaft when the sclarosis is generally asymptomatic, so you have to cut off youre foreskin, even though thats not even related in the first place, when instead mucosal resections can be done without turing your penis into a battle field and causing way more tissue damage than normal, because such damage is normal for circumcision amd has to be tolerated, but if a mere fraction of that happens to an intact penis it needs to be cutoff, oh but of course mutilation has no major effects on youre genitals though.

andy83

neezduts*24896

Thanks for the reply. Are you sure that the mucosal resection is appropriate for lymphangioscleroais? I google it and it turns up for a condition of a similar name for the ear but not for the penis.

Thanks for your thoughts!

Omegutted

One of my past partners (“sexual partner #5” in the original post) and I have rekindled our friendship after she went through a gnarly breakup earlier this year. Since we have reconnected, we have had some very open and honest discussions about our past, as well as our sex lives after we parted ways about six years ago.

I told her about lingering low confidence in my penis’s aesthetics because it is very unusual for my age cohort to be uncut in the USA. (I have a good amount of foreskin, enough that my glans stays 90% covered when erect.) How, when I get frisky with a woman for the first time, I make sure I pull my foreskin down and make it look circumcised because that is deemed “normal” by women here. She said she didn’t notice I was uncut until she gave me a handjob, but didn’t want to say anything about it to ruin the moment. It wasn’t a good or bad thing, initially, just very different and not what she was used to. We were together for about half a year and she gained some appreciation for uncircumcised, but never outright expressed a preference one way or the other. With respect to that:

Back then, she said she liked how foreskin felt different to her, how she could notice the difference in-hand and in-vagina; and how she found it was visually arousing when the glans comes out of the foreskin upon retraction. One time, I remember, we were lying naked in bed, and she was working my penis with her hands, looking at it closely, trying to figure out where the foreskin went when she pulled it down. I asked her what was up: she looked embarrassed, turned her eyes (and took her hands) away, and mumbled something about foreskin that I wish I could recall. There was a learning curve for her on how to please an uncut guy, but it was not a turn-off, and she enjoyed learning the things you can do with foreskin.

Anyway, each of us has had two more partners since then. For her, the first had a very small, circumcised penis (no more than three inches, she claims) who was also highly insecure about it. He had other glaring red flags and they broke up within a year. Her second new partner was a boyfriend of about one and a half years and he was apparently quite well endowed, but still circumcised. I asked straight up at this point, whether she had a preference in 2025 and she said no, very neutral on the subject of circumcision, because the sex she had with this cut boyfriend was the best she ever had. Specifically, though, she spoke favorably of her experiences with me as feeling different, particularly “texture-wise” and “smoothness”. Twice, largely unprompted, she mentioned me being uncircumcised as a novel, overall good experience, so that was nice to hear!

As for my two partners since that time:

Older woman, divorcee, who had all circumcised partners before me. Her son is not circumcised, primarily because she felt it was the wrong thing to do. When our messages got spicy, she let it be known that she wanted to try out an uncut dick, you know, for science and all. We’ve had a situationship for several years now (haven’t seen each other in a while) but suffice to say, I have her favorite penis. Particularly because of me being uncircumcised: she cites the gliding action not making her sore, and being able to do more with hands and mouth.
One of the Muslim women I mentioned earlier in this thread. I have, as usual, had the only uncut penis she had dealt with, and she has quite liked it. Not a turn-off at all, although she is concerned about hygiene. When she gives me oral, she pretty much just pulls the skin down and ignores it, although she makes sure to give my frenulum some tongue action. She likes not needing lube for handjobs and how easy that is. Penetrative sex-wise, no complaints from her, either.

neezduts*24896

andy83 partial superficial resection or similar procedures is viable, depends on the doctor and they country youre in amd what their guidelines are.

andy83

Just a follow up to my post above about the chiropractor who suggested that I put lube on my penis and rub it to do lymphatic drainage to help with the lymphangiosclerosis. At my appointment last week she said “by the way, how are your lymph vessels in your penis? Did you try rubbing it like I suggested?” I said that i had tried it as recommended, but that the problem still comes and goes. I decided to tell her that I had seen a urologist in December and the recommendation was that a circumcision might help if the problem becomes too annoying.

She gave me a puzzled look and asked why they think circumcision might help. I said the theory was that my foreskin was less elastic than it used to be, and nighttime erections were causing inflammation as the foreskin doesn’t auto-retract, resulting in the hardening of the lymph vessels.

She asked “Do you know why you weren’t circumcised when you were born?” I said that I was home-birthed. She said “Oh, and your mom didn’t schedule it later with her pediatrician?” I said that my mom told me that the pediatrician said it didn’t need to be done if it wasn’t causing me any issues, so they just left it.

She said “Oh, that’s interesting. Before studying chiropractic I used to be a nurse and I would prep the baby boys for their circumcisions in the hospital. I’d always feel bad for them, but the only ones that we didn’t do it for were the jewish families because they would have a ceremony themselves and do it later. I only saw a man come in to the hospital once who was uncircumcised, and he had some problem retracting his foreskin so we just sent him straight to urology!”

I asked her if it was just done routinely for babies where she worked, and she said “yeah, pretty much. When I was pregnant with my son they just asked me about scheduling it in advance and said that it was out of pocket, but they didn’t ask if I was planning to do it or not, they just asked if I wanted to schedule it. But I did get him circumcised.”

I said that I was a bit scared to do something like that because I didn’t know if sex would be less pleasurable for myself or my wife afterwards. She suggested that I search online for other men’s experiences who had been circumcised later in life to see their experiences. Then she said she “I don’t know if any of my friends have partners who aren’t circumcised to know if it would make a difference for them. I’ll have to ask!”

So we left it at that. If she asks some of her friends and has anything to share, i’ll follow up.

andy83

I have a short follow-up to this story. My chiropractor told me that she was having brunch with a couple girlfriends over the weekend and one of the women has a son in 5th grade who asked her after a sex-ed class why some boys have skin covering their tips. So this started a conversation amongst the 3 women. The one with the son is american and had her son circumcised and told him that usually they do it because it keeps it cleaner, but some boys don’t and that’s ok too if they keep it clean. My chiropractor already told me that she had her son circumcised. So both of them did.

The third one is apparently from Poland and said that she thought her boyfriend was jewish originally when she moved to the US because he was circumcised, but then she found out that it’s just really common here. She said she didn’t think she would do it to her son if she had one unless the father wanted it, but that she liked the way it looked and was happy that he is circumcised for the looks and the hygiene. My chiropractor asked her if it feels different to her, and she said that she thinks it’s just a little more intense when it’s circumcised, which she likes.

The American woman said she had a boyfriend before her husband who was italian and uncircumcised, and she liked it too once she got used to it but she didn’t really like giving him blowjobs because she didn’t like it if the tip was moist when she pulled it back, but her husband is circumcised and she’s happy with it.

So then she said that at least i know if I need to do it that most women like it that way. I said I wasn’t sure because when I brought it up with my wife she said that she thought it was weird that so many men do that here, and if it were up to her she would leave it alone. My chiropractor said “yeah, definitely don’t do it if you don’t need to. But I think if you did get circumcised she would get used to it, and end up liking it just as much in the end.”

I felt a little bold and said “well, at least it would be nice if like your friend she ended up wanting to do oral more often” and she said “see, silver linings!” So we can pretty much say that the preferences of that trio is cut.

Omegutted

Another update on friend/past partner #5: we - unfortunately for me - probably won’t do anything physical again, but we were talking about the times we did, and I asked her what her favorite parts about having sex with me were. First, that I was willing to try anything at least once, including her favorite position (prone bone). Secondly, and she was shy about admitting it, was my foreskin. As her only uncut partner to date, she said she could definitely feel the difference during penetration and how it was smoother and felt “very, very nice” in her. I asked whether she was saying it because she knows I make a small deal out of my foreskin when it comes to sexual relations, and she said no, it was an honest opinion. My foreskin did make a pleasant difference for her, after all, but it wasn’t a game changer, like it was with the divorcee I had after her.

Also, got an opinion out of an Israeli woman in her early 30’s. Of course, she preferred circumcised, having had about 17 partners, only one of them uncut - an Argentinian visiting her country. Surprisingly, all the Asian men she had sex with were cut: Koreans (not really a surprise) and at least one Chinese. Her reasoning for preferring cut:

looks better to her.
easier for oral and maintenance.
felt that her one experience with the uncut guy was less pleasurable, because the movement of foreskin inside her took away too much friction; his size wasn’t an issue.

She believed uncut guys were less sensitive and that their penises felt “less strong” during sex, possibly because of the extra movement it allows. A guy being uncut would not a dealbreaker for her, but it would be highly unusual to have another uncut partner in Israel.

neezduts*24896

Omegutted It sounds like shes describing partial phimosis as only then would a guy have less sensitivity while also the girl feels to be having predominantly skin instead of shaft movement. The opposite can happen in radical circumcisions tho😉, plus regular cut guys depend on lube so its cultural awareness here thats influenced her preference, as of she had slept with more the just ONE intact guy who was himself phimotic then she would know the difference. Same with maintaincene and other points like that.

Omegutted

neezduts*24896 I think the guy had a properly working penis. She just didn’t like it as much.

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Omegutted Or at the very least he wasnt using it properly, else how would her preference lead to her concluding that intact men are less sensotive, I read an aticle many years ago from a girl describing the differences she noticed between cut and intact men, and shed had only one intact partner, she also said that being intact made you less sensitive amd made you ladt linger because of the coverage of the foreskin during sex, no phimosis, but the way the foreskin was used led to more time covered tham retracted which had this effect during sex. I believe this is the same case here

intact

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A few thoughts from a male who was married 20 years and had sex with 16 women in his lifetime:

Intact is better for women, though many women aren’t in touch with their body enough to sense it. Physically, the foreskin glides within the vagina, so she doesn’t have to produce so much excess lubrication for comfort.

How fast a man reaches ejaculation depends on a number of things, including his state of mind. If, as a teen, he drove himself to ejaculate quickly (to minimize the chance of getting caught masturbating), and doesn’t retrain himself to slow down and enjoy intercourse when he’s getting it, he will still have that sense of urgency in his head. I think this applies to intact as well as circumcised males.

There is no evidence that intact males ejaculate sooner overall.

It’s my belief that intact males can enjoy more sensations of intercourse and – if they aren’t still trying to cum quickly to avoid detection – make better lovers because they get more pleasure from the buildup toward orgasm.

All this can be negated if a man is not in touch with his body, not grounded.

neezduts*24896

intact Very true I agree with effectively, most of what you have said.

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andy83 this goes both ways tho continuous exposure to intact penises especially over multiple partners will change their minds as well.

Omegutted

Another update from me:

Younger coworker, basically straight out of college. She had no real opinion on the matter, wouldn’t be sure if she would have a son cut or not, saying she never thought about it and would do her own research. Good for her, we work in the life sciences. I didn’t really want to ask if she knew if her younger brother was cut or not.

I didn’t really put two and two together until very recently, but this coworker confessed a crush on me which left no uncertainty. (We work on the same team pretty closely, and I serve as her mentor and primary trainer.) Through other discussions, I knew she was a virgin, and I told her I was not circumcised. She spent a night at my place recently. When she came over, she originally didn’t want to do anything beyond cuddle, which I was totally fine with. I didn’t want anything to get awkward between us at the office, and so I told her she was in command and to go only as far as she was comfortable with.

But, as the night wore on, she got bolder and more handsy, and we were cuddling and making out in our underwear. She first insinuated I could touch her boobs - an offer I gladly accepted - and later it felt natural to me to ask if she wanted to see and touch my penis. She had never seen an adult penis in real life, so she was a bit timid but genuinely curious what it would look like. Some of her words:

“I don’t see anything to dislike here” when asked about the foreskin.

“It actually looks really normal to me now, because I know it’s supposed to be there naturally”

“I like how the skin moves like that.”

She gave me a handjob because she wanted to see a guy ejaculate in real life. The next morning, we ended up having sex, first with a condom and ample lube (remember, she was a virgin), then later, without. I tried entering her both with foreskin forward or pulled back. She observed that penetration was much easier when the foreskin was allowed to work its magic compared to when it was kept back or when I was wearing a condom.

All that said, I have no idea where this is going with my coworker. She said all this physical activity would not happen again, to keep things professional – after all, we still have to work together. I agreed, but she said she had fun and thanked me for giving her a safe, meaningful ‘first time’.

intact

Omegutted

She observed that penetration was much easier when the foreskin was allowed to work its magic compared to when it was kept back or when I was wearing a condom.

Ex-wife said the same thing. Post-partum, when a nursing mom usually experiences vaginal dryness, her OB-GYN suggested lube when she was ready for sex. We just closed my foreskin before insertion and let it slowly unfurl with each stroke.

Omegutted

That was my experience with previous partners who were running a bit dry. The foreskin really does help! To go into more detail:

My colleague mentioned a stinging pain when I penetrated for the first couple times with the condom, and she had to take me in very slowly. I had to lay there and not move so she could get used to the feeling of having something inside her (she masturbates without penetrating herself). Later, when were doing it without the condom, my foreskin made it much easier for me to go in - no pain - but she still preferred putting some lube on herself to facilitate that. And when I penetrated while pulling my foreskin back, the stinging sensation came back for her.

Anyway, she does not see the point of circumcision and doesn’t understand why it’s done. She asked me about the TV/movie trope of a guy needing lotion when it is implied he is going to jerk off, and I said that’s because they were cut. I had her try to stroke me the way you would a cut guy, and she said that didn’t look like it would be comfortable for me - which I confirmed. Obviously, with bias, so I’m not really tooting my own horn here - she said multiple times that my penis was perfect the way it was, foreskin and all, and there was something sexy about seeing the glans come in and out of view.

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Update #2 on the Muslim women:

Omegutted .

I was told that #1 had a short and intense fling with a Latino guy over the course of a couple months. Not many details other than that, but it was the absolute best sex she ever had and she specifically cited that the dude had an awesome penis. Before we speculate: great sex, especially for a woman, could be due to any number of reasons, but hey, maybe he was uncut and that was making the sex amazing?

And #2, which I have had on-and-off sex a few times with, she continues to be very pro-circumcision because her home country is like 90%+ cut and for religious/cultural reasons. We’ve debated the ethics and motivations of the matter ad nauseam, and neither of us could change the other’s mind on it. Basically, she thinks that thinks that cut is more hygienic by far, and would without hesitation have any sons of hers cut, because boys/men don’t take care of themselves. I asked her about FGM and she said there is absolutely no point to it, because it was done to control women’s sexuality and that girls have died to it, and the hygiene benefits aren’t proven at all for girls. But male circumcision is perfectly fine to her; she still thinks it doesn’t hurt when it’s done as a baby because her friend (the same woman #1 as above) assisted with them when she worked at a hospital, and said the baby boys don’t cry their lungs out when they got snipped. No, not even the analogous removal of the clitoral hood was acceptable for hygiene reasons because “clits don’t give men UTI’s” and it would leave the bare clit exposed which would be too sensitive.

And yet, she really likes my rather uncircumcised dick, saying how it looks good, feels good, and is otherwise perfect? As if I’m a rare exception to the idea that having foreskin is unhygienic or nasty? Ultimately she really doesn’t care what her partners are, but I’m sensing some cognitive dissonance from this one.

neezduts*24896

Omegutted number 2 is insane I have found that being brutal with such people tend to work, clits dont give uti’s but its hood does give thrush and any other infections especially oral IYKYK, also PLEASE talk about her labia minoris and even how its contiguous with the clitoral hood, that will trap her as they do trap even more smegma than the men, plus tell her that your foreskin doesnt cause your penis UTI’s either. Also tell her that boys have died too so it goes both ways. Lastly tell her that how does she know that the babies werent dissasociating from the pain as that would present similarly, also clarify about anaesthetic, of she says then them say that applies to FGM then too, remeber when male cuts were performed in a similar tribal setting as female cuts they had high rates of complication and mortality too.

intact

Omegutted

I have noticed that when American women rave about a foreign-born lover, it’s always a Latino or European. Never a Muslim or Israeli.

On occasion I ask an experienced dance partner who the best leads are. It’s always a foreign-born male. That opens the door to why….

Omegutted

neezduts*24896
I’ve tried reasoning… there is no convincing anyone who is that strongly believing in the practice. Personally, I see it as less productive to argue women can be unclean down there too, because it is too often taken personally and the discussion shuts down. Appeals to bodily autonomy are ignored because she feels the potential health, cultural, and (if applicable) religious benefits outweigh that. The comparisons to FGM fell on deaf ears. This woman (#2) has admitted to judging men more harshly than women, so her double standards make sense in this context.

Edit: forgot to mention that she is, ahh, curvy, so if anyone has to worry about skin folds down there… anyway, I don’t stoop down to the personal attack level.

She waved off any mention of boys suffering and remarked that it most frequently seems to be uncut guys who argue the most against circumcision, while most cut men seem to be happy with what they have. Weirdly, she also mentioned that if I was pro-circumcision, she would play devil’s advocate and defend the anti-circumcision point of view, Next time we talk, I’ll ask her what she thinks the valid points are from the ‘intact’ side.

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Omegutted thats the whole point this isnt a discussion its a debate, especially as shes mentioned bias before, also do tell her that uncircumcised women are more concenred with FGM than the women who were cut, hence take those countries where fgm is common for example, in the MENA region.

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