An overlooked thought.

circhead

(Took the liberty of creating a TTS voice file if you don’t want to read.)

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We have obviously talked about women who choose to circumcise for all sorts of different reasons. but i had an interesting realization the other day. there are lots of women who don’t know what circumcision really is or what surrounds it. but once they know, they choose not to do it for their next son, or, if there was a problem they may even go online and warn other women about it.

Let’s put those women in the category of ‘regular’ women. As in, they aren’t exactly pro-circumcision, but living in a country like the US, circumcision is just the norm. All their boyfriends have been cut, relatives are cut, our media makes cut seem like the norm, and of course the hospital is going to recommend it to them multiple times during their time in the hospital and may even do it without asking. So they are just average women. Not sluts, not wild party animals, just the average women, right?

Well what do these average women have to say about the outcome of some of these circumcisions? Successful circumcisions. It wasn’t ‘botched’ or anything yet when they get their son back they have such a drastic color difference from their body and the rest of their shaft compared to the tip and down to the line where the color separation starts. If they were only concerned about getting rid of foreskin, then you would think they would expect to get their sons back with the same looking penis but without the foreskin. We’ve all seen circumcised guys who have the same coloring. But when they see their sons with penises like this below:

Wouldn’t it be a reasonable reaction to ask why it looks like that? Ask if too much skin was removed? Ask if he will be okay in the future? Even if you’re a female you have to know that the penis needs skin to be able to grow, so do they ask if he will be able to have an erection? Do they care if they didn’t mention frenulum removal but when they get their son back he doesn’t have one, is that a problem?
The point of this post is just to ask you guys if this makes any sense. Again, this is about the ‘regular’ women, so they’re going to choose what everyone chooses but when they see that outcome how do they not tell their friends that maybe they made a mistake? Or that maybe this isn’t as normal as they were told? If you substitute this question with foreskin you get all of the above. Every aspect is cause for concern on a social, sexual, and hygiene level. But with this outcome we don’t hear anything about it. There’s another way to think about this drastic two tone appearance. If your skin gets badly burned that skin no longer looks like the rest of your skin. If you get your skin scraped off, the scab that forms is not your regular skin, and the same goes for any other cut or gash. It’s the same type of skin around those deep drastic two tone circumcisions. Shouldn’t that be a clue for those women? If it was just a normal thing then why are they left with the skin we technically shouldn’t even see unless seriously injured?

And even more questions that don’t seem to get asked would be from girls that are getting with guys for the first time in high school and things like that, do they ever ask why their boyfriends dick is colored that way? Or why the last dick they saw had a frenulum and this guy doesn’t or vice versa? Why some lines are straight and some look like complete skin grafts?

Or how some guys have a little of their head cut away? Or their urethra is in a different spot than another guy they know? Do they ever ‘freak out’ over any of those things like they do with ‘uncut’ guys? Or when they talk about wanting their sons to fit in, are they only talking about not having foreskin?

Do they never consider that there will be entire classrooms or locker rooms with boys who are circumcised but have one uniform color while their son will have one of the most attention grabbing color differences in his grade or possibly even school?

Or do these women actually not care about their boys? And maybe they’re doing it on purpose because they don’t mind their sons having that appearance? I don’t believe that these women, these mothers, see circumcisions as all being the same. That as long as it’s circumcised it’s fine. This would be like getting an ingrown toenail removed but in the process the doctor cuts off a little bit of the top of your toe off. As long as the ingrown nail is gone it’s fine, right? Or instead of getting your tonsils removed, you get your tonsils removed and part of your throat cut. But as long as the tonsil was removed, it’s fine, right?

Omegutted

We here probably think way more about (our) penises than any female partners do.

I’ve been in the lucky position to “demystify” the foreskin for some of my sexual partners, pointing out the differences between myself and what they were used to. All of them enjoyed my dick, as well as the novel things they could do with it … but except for one, none of them would say that the presence or absence of a foreskin was a game-changer. I think that’s a good thing - after all, even in a purely no-strings attached hookup, sexual compatibility also includes some of the intangibles/chemistry. In a longer-term relationship or partnership, the importance of the penis is even less, compared to all the other aspects of the man himself.

By the way, if I had asked any of my partners what a frenulum is, I’d get a blank stare even if I told them they had a couple (tongue, etc.) themselves. It just doesn’t register. Other dick-related appearance matters would get a “whatever, all dicks look weird” or “it’s fine, I like yours a lot”. These things just don’t matter to most women, unless they are knowledgeable and interested in this subject matter like we are.

I’ve picked the brains of a couple of my partners, and plenty of non-partners about circumcision and foreskin. It’s an afterthought to them, truly.

That as long as it’s circumcised it’s fine.

For some that I’ve asked, yep, that’s it. If the head is visible all the time, then all’s good and the operation went as intended. Even the ones that don’t see circumcision favorably aren’t passionately against the practice. That doesn’t mean they’re for it, but since cutting is societally ingrained in the US, it’s the norm.

circhead

Omegutted I see what you mean, I just can’t buy that idea that they aren’t noticing any of that difference. Like they don’t even have to be that knowledgeable about all our parts to notice something visually different. How can foreskin be considered so weird but they don’t have any issue with a guy who’s cut, 3 different colors, has an adhesion, no frenulum, and an oddly placed urethra.

Can you imagine a guy who wants a girls pussy to look a certain way? He doesn’t like ‘beef curtains’ so he wants a girl with little to no labia minora so the girl he gets with ends up having no labia minora but she’s also missing part of her clit and one of her labia majora (the outer lips) is completely gone. Wouldn’t it be weird if he was like well as long as she doesn’t have any beef curtains, I’m fine with it. Those labia minora really freak me out but I can live with this!

cut-cocks-are-ugly

circhead 100% agree. This is something that has always bothered me. Like, clearly if they saw someone who had scar tissue from scraping their arm or their knee on the pavement, they would be able to recognize that something is wrong and that arms/knees aren’t supposed to look like that, but for some reason they can’t make the same connection when it comes to penises.

I mean, even if they had never seen a penis before, surely the pure visual of a circumcised penis that looks like it’s had a skin graft, looks like the skin of a Ghoul from Fallout, looks like a slice of pepperoni, has the look of a burn mark after you’ve accidentally spilled hot water on yourself, and/or has the look of that pink flesh that you get when a scab is in the final stages of healing should be a clear indicator that something is up. They clearly know what a scar looks like, they know what damaged flesh looks like, and they know what dried out skin looks like, but for some reason it doesn’t even register in their brains that a circumcised penis possesses all those things.

Something I’ve said before is that women should be instinctually grossed out by circumcised penises.

I don’t understand how a woman can possibly look at something that they know has been mutilated, disfigured, is dried out, cracked, calloused, and has a gross, ugly, unsightly scar on it, and be okay with it. How does it not gross them out? It looks disgusting. Circumcised dicks look like Freddy Krueger’s face, or like someone poured acid on them. The glans can be so dried out sometimes that it looks like gravel, or like a piece of old, dusty furniture, or an old man’s flaky, bald head, and the scar can be so unsightly and brown that it looks like someone smeared a ring of shit around their dicks. How does someone look at that and just think “meh”?

Like, dude, come on, they’re almost vomit-inducing. Do they just try to ignore it like someone would if they saw a burn victim, or someone who’s missing an arm, or an eye, or has some kind of deformity? Do they just try not to call attention to it and pretend there’s nothing wrong because they don’t want to make them feel bad or come across as shallow? Personally, I think it’s perfectly fine to be shallow. I just don’t see how anyone can look past such a horrible flaw. There’s no way I could, and I think they should stop looking past such flaws, too.

If I saw a vagina that was circumcised or had a labiaplasty, I would want to vomit my guts out. I would never, ever date a woman who had one. I could never look past that. That would be a complete dealbreaker. I don’t understand how it’s not the same with women and penises? They also objectively don’t look better when circumcised, they look better uncut.

Aesthetic preference aside, how does the sight of a mutilated penis not instantly conjure up images in someone’s mind of babies being strapped down and having their foreskins horrifically mutilated and disfigured with surgical equipment, and with blood everywhere, while they’re screaming in absolute agony as they experience the worst pain they will ever feel in their entire life? That’s the first thing that comes to MY mind whenever I see a circumcised penis, and I feel it should be the same for everyone (not in a solipsistic way)? But even if you explained that to them, and put that nightmarish image in their head, that image still somehow would not be offputting for them. It’s bizarre.

How can anyone see a circumcised penis, have that horrific image flash in their mind, and then still somehow be indifferent about it or even still be horny? That should completely kill the mood for everyone. It should bother them to the point where they don’t even want to interact with circumcised penises in any way because they know that horrendous image is gonna flash in their mind.

If I’m watching porn, and I see a circumcised penis, what happens is that I immediately get grossed out, then the unwanted thought of a baby being mutilated then flashes in my head, and then I have to try to shake the image out of my head, like “Get out of my head, get out my head, get out of my fucking head! I don’t want to think about a baby being circumcised in this scenario! Jesus Christ!”

Also, the disgust for circumcised penises on people’s part shouldn’t be a matter of choice, it should be instinctual and involuntary, the same as when you see anything else that’s gross, like maggots, blood, or vomit. The sight of a circumcised penis should make people involuntarily react like “EWW! FUCKING GROSS! WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE THAT? WHY DOES IT LOOK ALL MUTILATED AND SCARRED?!” At the very least, it should make someone scrunch their face up in disgust.

I just don’t understand why this doesn’t happen with women. It absolutely should. Even circumcised guys are able to recognize that something is wrong with their penises, even if they don’t necessarily want to accept it, or else they risk hurting their fragile egos. It just makes me think about these types of women like “What is wrong with you? Is it honestly just innocent ignorance, or are you really just that evil and uncaring? Are you truly just a monster?”

Men can automatically recognize by default that something bad happening to a woman is horrible without ever having to be told that it’s bad, so why can’t women just automatically recognize by default that something bad happening to a man is horrible without ever having to be told that it’s bad? For me, if you say “Female circumcision is evil.” My response is “Yes, it is.” I don’t even need to be told, I just automatically know. But with so many women, if you say male circumcision is evil, a lot of them will go “Why is it evil? Give me at least 10 reasons for why it’s a bad thing, and make them convincing enough, but also know that even if you do make convincing arguments, I still might not even accept the information.” It’s so fucked up.

Anyway, women should just be grossed out by circumcised penises. They shouldn’t even need a reason. They should just be grossed out by them just because… Just because…

circhead

cut-cocks-are-ugly “What is wrong with you? Is it honestly just innocent ignorance, or are you really just that evil and uncaring? Are you truly just a monster?”

Exactly man. I think something else is involved. Maybe they in fact do want it done and don’t care if it hurts their boy or not.

Another thing that’s interesting from a historical standpoint is finding out that circumcision back in ancient times and biblical times was snipping off the overhang of the foreskin, meaning your head was still covered, but the sacrifice was just the bit that bunched up and closed toward the end. It was never like what we consider circumcision to be today. Circumcision in those days wouldn’t even be considered circumcised today.
And even for your baby they waited 8 days to cut that overhang for safety because it takes 8 days for your body to make vitamin k which coagulates your blood. But we remove the entire thing and even worse, we do it on the day of your birth? Within minutes? This is pretty insane. And that’s why over 100 babies die each year.